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How A New California Law Risks Parental Rights And Enables Trafficking | Ep 340
How A New California Law Risks Parental Rights And Enables Trafficking | Ep 340
What happens when a law meant to protect kids lowers the very guardrails that keep them safe? We take a hard look at California’s AB 495—hailed as a compassionate response to ICE-related crises—and unpack how its broad language can let non-parents claim custody and medical authority with minimal oversight. If a coach, youth leader, or acquaintance can assert temporary guardianship via a simple form, where does that leave parental consent, due diligence, and the checks that deter trafficking and exploitation?
We walk through concrete scenarios that move beyond immigration, showing how opportunists can exploit gaps when a parent steps away for minutes. Our focus stays on real-world risk: grooming dynamics, ambiguous authority at schools and clinics, and the mental health toll on families caught in sudden custody confusion. We also push for evidence over soundbites. If the law is built on the claim that large numbers of children are left unattended after enforcement actions, the public deserves transparent data, clear definitions, and tightly scoped remedies that move fast without cutting corners.
This conversation isn’t about party lines; it’s about practical child safety, parental rights, and how state-level policy can ripple nationwide. We explore what a better framework could look like: instant court review, verified proxies with background checks, mandatory reporting, and penalties for misuse. Laws should be compassionate and precise—protecting children in true emergencies while closing the loopholes that predators rely on.
If you care about safeguarding kids, strengthening families, and keeping institutions worthy of trust, this one matters. Subscribe, share with a parent or educator who needs to hear it, and leave a review to help more people find the show. What safeguard would you add—or fix—first?
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0:02 Welcome And Mission Update
1:46 Context From Episode 307
2:41 What AB 495 Claims To Address
5:58 From Immigration To Public Safety
9:15 Passed Into Law: Why It Matters
12:20 Non‑Parent Custody Without Oversight
16:30 Broader Risks Beyond ICE Cases
20:35 Human Trafficking Scenarios Explained
24:40 Mental Health And Family Trauma
30:10 Read The Bill, Not The Soundbites
34:20 Politics, Power, And Accountability
39:00 National Implications And 2024 Ambitions
45:10 Demand Data, Not Talking Points
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Hey everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices, uh TV Show and Podcast. Thank you for joining us on this episode. Please check out our catalog of uh additional episodes, over 330 of those. Uh that we have, I believe we are uh episode-wise, I believe we are on 340 today. So that's just it's just incredible. So thank you so much for tuning in, however you do, wherever you do, near, far, listen, watch, uh regardless of the platform. Uh it's just uh it's just a joy and a humbling experience to come into your uh your your home, your earbuds, uh, wherever you may be. Again, pushing 90 countries, close to 900 cities uh across the world. And we have this huge goal of helping in one way or another three billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond. Before we get started, if you could just give us a thumbs up, if you could subscribe, please subscribe, please subscribe, please subscribe, and you guess it, please subscribe. Uh, that helps us uh get closer to that uh real lofty goal that we have. But uh we're we're dreaming, and that's our dream is to help at least three billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond with voices for voices. Thank you so much for joining us. This episode is a little bit of an update from episode number 307. And an episode 307, no matter where you wherever wherever you find it, if you find it on YouTube or Rumble or Apple Podcast, Spotify, uh Podcast Addict, um wherever you find your your content, your your podcast, uh you want to look at episode 307 to have a little bit of a grounding of where um or what what we're talking about, because we described what we're gonna be sharing here on on this episode number 340. Uh we described that on episode 307. And really what it comes down to is in the state of California, uh they they have uh they have bills and acts, you know, to go through legislature and and the political uh the political process there. And so we we don't live in California. That's why when I say there, that's I'm referring to there, because we don't we don't we don't reside there. But in episode 307, we had heard something about uh something called Assembly Bill 495, and that's a state bill, a state law that was being floated uh by uh lawmakers in the state of California. And what the press says, and what these lawmakers pushing this are saying about Assembly Bill four ninety-five is okay, well, circles around children, circles around individuals, human beings, okay. And we know in the past several years of the administration, the US government was very lax on who came and it and and came into the United States of America, uh, as far as you know, undocumented, illegal aliens, people who are coming to the United States of America. Uh, they're just they were just not being vetted. And and so, you know, we we have cartel members, we have gang members, we have we have a lot of a lot of a lot of people that uh just on uh what we would consider common sense, uh, who are here, and and so the new administration, no matter how you feel about it, I think the fact that we're trying to get back to somewhat of a normal see here in the United States, and so getting you know, some if not all uh of these bad people who shouldn't be here. Uh, they they shouldn't be here in the United States, they came illegally, uh and so that's where we're at, and so that's what is you know, Assembly Bill uh 495 and episode 307 of our TV show podcast, you're gonna find a lot of that detail. But this law in the state of California is aimed at children, and so whenever somebody says children, you know, the guard kind of comes down like, oh, okay, we're talking about children, so we really need to pay attention, and we do need to pay attention, and and in this assembly bill 495, you have uh legislature members in the state of California and other areas of the country who are upset at ICE. So the uh the the basically the immigration enforcement agency uh who is uh leading uh enforcing our laws that are on the books, so people get can get upset all they want. But if there's laws already on the books and we're just enforcing them, that doesn't mean they're bad, then pass a law that is different than that that's kind of you know how you go about that, and so Assembly Bill 495 is statewide, state of California, is aimed at children of individuals who are in the uh United States illegally and who may be identified by ICE uh to you know, based off their background, uh they've committed crimes, uh they might be on on one of the lists to uh you know deport, to find and deport them, and so that that can sometimes lead to you know children being left alone. But that's not really what the press, and that's not really actually what Assembly Bill 495 says, because we we read it on episode 307. We we read the actual framework, the actual words on the bill. And this is not just aimed at children that are uh you know negatively impacted, you know, by their family members, uh their moms or dads, their guardians who may be not nice people. And so what this actually does, what assumably Bill 495 does, is it allows uh no parental consent, no uh no court consent, no court proceeding, uh a one-page document that can be just typed up and say, hey, I'm the youth pastor, I'm the uh I'm the coach uh of this child's team. And and so I I I now have I now have custody because parents are gone. And so what does that mean? That means that an assembly bill 495, who, oh, by the way, why we're bringing it up now is because it passed. So it's not just conjecture, it isn't just you know, water cooler talk. It was actually passed. Governor Gavin Newsom passed it, so there's a lot of things he won't pass, he won't look at, and we've talked about that with the San Diego District Attorney, uh, where there's there's certain things been sitting on his desk for years and he hasn't touched them, but he's got no problem doing this because it it uh you know goes after uh you know our president Donald J. Trump. And so all this is politics and theater. Except it's not, we're dealing with real people here, okay? So let's say an individual, a child, has a parent, they're here in the United States illegally, they're parents, they have done illegal things, have been convicted, and they're on the ice list to be removed. And so ICE comes, gets them, and which, oh, by the way, the uh we're not seeing the proof uh that these lawmakers like to tell us and say, Oh, there's all these children that are being impacted, and they're just being left to fend for themselves. They haven't shown us that proof, they're big on talk, and they're they're very very bad at actions. So to target these children is not just these children, the ones that are impacted by news ice actions. It's not the child's fault of the parents been up to devious acts, uh nefarious activity, it's not their fault. And again, these these lawmakers in California haven't shown how every single time that this happens, that the child just is left to fend on their own. Maybe somewhere else that happens. But the country I live in, United States of America, I don't I don't believe that that happens. If it happens, it's a small percentage. And I think that if that does happen, that there's work being done so that doesn't happen, so that there is somewhere when uh uh an occurrence like this happens. But what I'm getting at is this Assembly Bill 495 is not just for these children that are impacted by these ICE uh raids or these ice events where you know they're you know these fit these family members, these people that are you know convicted felons, uh you know, worst of the worst. Uh they're here illegally, okay? If we try to go to another country illegally, guess what they're gonna do? They're gonna kick our ass right out. So we can we can chirp all we want, right? Y'all can tell us, oh well, you know, we had to do this and that. Well, have you ever thought about going to a different country? You can't just go and remain there and then remain and get free benefits. At least none that I'm aware of. Maybe I'm wrong. Somebody proved me wrong. Where you can just show up to another country and just start, you know, collecting money and and benefits. And I'm all for helping people. Heck, that's what our organization is all about is helping people. You got to do it the right way, you got to do it the legal way, and so that's where we have those crossroads. So this bill doesn't just impact these uh these these children impacted by these ice events, what led to legislature in California and Gavin Newsom, governor, with aspirations to to run for president of the United States, uh, in the in the next uh the next uh cycle. Uh because this is Don President Donald J. Trump's second term. So uh you know, less somewhere in the constitution gets changed, uh he won't be able to do that. And and so there's gonna be probably some new faces are gonna come forward and and be running for the presidency. And so with this Assembly Bill 495, and I say that a lot because I want it to get out there, this is very dangerous, it's dangerous for kids, it's dangerous for society. You might say, well, what do you mean? Okay, so let's say child one, just uh hypothetically put put something out here. Child one has a family member, is a mom and a dad, or one or both, who are fugitives who have who are on the list to be deported, and so ICE comes in, they do their thing, and so this bill is supposed to protect you know this child one, uh and which means that anybody can say that they're their guardian. They could come forward, and again, it could be a coach, it could be a pastor, it could be somebody says they're their pastor, somebody says that they're in uh a certain group that this is uh this child's in, that they're you know, a scout master or or what have you. Um and they have they have all rights of the parents, including medical care. So these you know, gender-affirming surgeries and you know, the so it's detrimental to the child because the child, right? We know that the front that the way the brain, the way it grows, the way it develops is from the back forward. So the frontal lobe, you know, it talks about reasoning and those types of things. That doesn't come to like you're in your you know late teens, 20s. So you're you want us to believe that somebody who's eight years old, six years old, four years old, two years old knows 100% that they want that. And I'd say no. And so it is a detriment to this children because these aren't just ice children, right? Affected by ice, these are all children. That's why we read in in episode 307. We actually read the words in the actual assembly bill, not the talking points, not the what you know Gavin Newsom and and others, uh like Miss Rodriguez. Uh, not what not what they say, you know, they nitpick and they pull out one sentence out of you know a five, six, seven or longer pager act or bill, assembly bill, and they want us to believe that and then be like, oh yeah, I I I agree with that. Absolutely, we should not be leaving these children alone, and I agree, we shouldn't be leaving these children alone at all, but to give somebody who is a non-parent, meaning a non-guardian that is not through blood relations, giving them also the ability to come in and say, Hey, I'm I'm this child's coach. Oh, okay. Go ahead, take her, take your child. No court intervention, no parent consent. And guess what happens? Sometimes, sometimes the children disappear. So that's how we get to the public safety and public health concern of the public. So then all of a sudden, we're not just talking about children affected by ice, we're talking about any child. So we talked about the uh child at the let's say, you know, at home watching TV or or doing something, eating dinner, and the parent, one of the parents goes and and changes their clothes and they're gone, whatever, maybe for three or four minutes. Some peeping Tom or Teresa look through the window and they see a child. They're like, Oh, I don't see any parents. And so somehow, some way they gain access to the house. This is not a house that's affected by ice. And they say, Well, I don't see, I don't see a parent or a guardian. So here, come with me. Guess what that's called? That's called human trafficking. That's that thing that we've talked about over and over and over and over and over again. That we've been getting so much flack, but also so much praise from all corners of the world that we're talking and sharing about this. If you're involved with it, of course we're against it. We're against any human trafficking. It doesn't matter what age you are. People say, oh, well, they only, you know, traffickers only want you know minor children under the age of 18. Oh, yeah. We'll tell that to one of our guests who was an adult who was trafficked. Okay. So before you get into you know, your your whatever your political party is, your talking points, uh nitpicking, you know, a multi-page document for a sentence, and saying, Oh, this is what it's about, and this is the selling point. Y'all need to check yourselves, y'all need to read your read the full document. Because I did, and it's not limited just to ice affected children. It's to that child I just talked about in that definition there, or in that example, who's sitting down, eating dinner, mom or dad's at work, the other ones at home, and they're they're changing from the other work clothes to their you know, working outside clothes, or just casual, comfy clothes. And in that amount of time, let's just say there's a basketball hoop in the driveway, and the child or the individual is shooting baskets, parents inside changing, child's out shooting baskets, car, white van pulls up. I don't see your mom or dad, I don't see a guardian. Swoop up that child, that that uh that person, that human being, boom, and they're gone. And so again, we've gotten a lot of flack about talking about these subjects, this subject, and these these examples. Well, if it wasn't happening, we wouldn't be covering it. And you ask, well, how's that affect mental health? Okay, well, if I'm the parent and I come downstairs and my child's not there, that's called trauma. It's like, what is going on? Where did my child go? They were just here a minute ago, two minutes ago. Where'd they go? Did they run away? Are they with their friends? And then you're frantically driving around the neighborhood or or walking and knocking on doors, and boom, just like that, the child's gone. Just like magic. The child's gone. So anybody that wants to challenge us, come come join us, come tell us how assembly bill four ninety-five that we detail further detail in our episode 307. Please tell us how that is only for ice-affected children. Because that's see, that's the hot point here, right? So people are upset about that. Oh, people are coming in the middle of the night and they're taking family members or what. Well, if they didn't commit a crime, if they came to this country legally, they should have no no problem, no issues. We don't we don't have issues with people who come with the legal process. And people who follow the law? Again, if you're in the United States, you're a nice states citizen, try going to a different country for an extended period of time and see how how welcome you are in their country. You're gonna get are you gonna get health benefits? Are you gonna get a stipend for food and health care and everything? Probably not. I'm guessing not. There's not too many. I don't even know one. I could be wrong, because there's a lot of countries we have in our world. There may be one or a few out there that that happens. Prove us wrong, prove me wrong. Prove me that the United States is not not the only country that this happened can happen to, where U.S. citizens say, Hey, I want to go to this country, not just for vacation, not just to visit a loved one or a family, to stay there for years and years, and then that they don't show up if there's you know a court court, a court date, and they just continue on collecting those benefits. Need a phone, here's a phone, need a car, here's a car, you need a place to live, here's a place to live, you need a TV, you need uh whatever you need. We got you covered, and so Assembly Bill 495 is dangerous in the fact that we just received word that uh that this was passed by Governor Gavin Newsome. Assembly bill 495 is now active from our understanding and good faith. How's that make you feel? If you live in a different state than California, does that sound like something that you want to do? That you'd be cool with, you know, your uh your your government officials putting that into play? Is that what you voted for? You voted you voted so that children can you voted for human traffickers that have an easy, easier path to do their job and what they do, and traffic children and individuals, even if they're adults. Somebody's a prodigy, somebody's good at something, somebody sees that there can be money to be made from an individual. That's why people other than minors are trafficked, and that's a surprise to a lot of people. Uh, you know, some of our episodes we've had, you know, some feedback from is yeah, it's just crazy. It's crazy. We're living in the United States of America, and this is happening, and it's allowing human traffickers, it's giving them a free pass, it's making their job easier because they don't got to worry about like, oh well, the parents not here. So, again, like I said, it's not assembly bill 495, it's not just for ice-related events and ice-related children. That's one of the points in that assembly bill, but that's not all. It doesn't the whole document, the whole assembly bill is not just for ice impacted children. That again, people want to come forward and say, Oh, yeah, um, we're mad at the Trump administration, so uh, yeah, we need to go against them, and so we're yeah, we we we don't agree with these ice raids and coming after you know people that are you know here illegally and that are dangerous and that. Uh so yeah, we're gonna come out with this assembly bill, and that's gonna protect the children, yeah. I'll say it one, I'll say it again. Said it once, send it many times. For someone to pass a law, a bill, or an act, any type of law that doesn't specify it throughout the entire law, not just one piece of it. Either A, you didn't read the bill, you didn't read you didn't read the actual paper, or two, and so that's giving you the benefit of the doubt of saying, you know what? Hey, I didn't read it, but I voted for it, my bad. I didn't mean to do that. Sorry, can't take it back, but you know, I guess I should have read it. So that's choice one. Guess what choice two is not that you didn't read it, it's that you're darn well sure you read it. You know darn well sure what is in that, and you may be benefiting from this. You know, we're hearing more and more how people in government and different uh places of power who uh are finally being uh, you know, we got James Comey, you know, with the the Russia, Russia, Russia deal. Uh we now have John Bolton, uh John Bolton who uh had you know classified docs documents. Uh so these are people that are in power or were in power, and one way or another, they're involved for their well-being. So again, I say it again, I'll say it again, and I'll say it again. Either for all the people all the legislatures in California who voted for this and to get this on to Governor Gavanusum, not only those that helped get it on. the desk at Gavin Newsom, but for Gavin himself, which we've invited, and we have no qualms as a as a as a human. So uh we we we've uh reached out and we'll continue to reach out to have Gavin on our show and he can answer those questions and then we'll go on his show we'll head out there and uh we'll go ahead and be on his podcast but because Gavin is running all signs point for the presidency of the United States that's why this makes this is a bigger difference. It's not just a California you know is you know these super majorities super states with you know population and uh electoral votes uh that you know they get uh for for elections uh there's that but when you have somebody like that who then comes to the national forefront and is campaigning for president of the United States never changes its stripes you think Gavin's gonna change if he becomes president vice president heck no he's gonna continue doing what he's done before and so he's gonna take what he quote unquote accomplished and California he's gonna try to bring that to all of us in the United States to all states not just not just California and that's why we're making such a big deal about this because we want we want the awareness to everybody across the United States and across the world that this is happening and we've had if you go back to our episode 307 there there was uh there's a pastor that we mentioned there uh through our our research that said that if this gets passed he's telling he's telling people at his church do they need to get the heck out of California because this isn't just again this this just isn't for ice children ice impacted children this is for all children it's like I said for that parent that's gone to the bathroom uh at the zoo or is changing clothes and their child outside shooting baskets or uh doing you know kids stop playing with toys and somebody looks in and somehow they gain access child's gone so you want to talk about mental health and trauma i talked about that that would be a very traumatic event and to know that we have we have people in the state of California enough people in the state california on the legislative side that say we don't we don't like the Trump administration doing this so here's how we're gonna go after them we can dislike policies we can dislike that but we're talking about humans here so Gavin anybody else in the legislature what what happens if that's your child that that happens to huh yeah you heard me what happens what happens if that happens to your child oh that would never happen to me because I live in a gated community and I have private security and I got all these things that like the average person like myself and others that we don't have. But what if that were to occur we don't want that to occur but I bet your tune changes if it's your child or your nephew your niece and they disappear and then you have people saying well look this is this this was passed so and then they say well no I thought that was only for ice infected children oh no that's actually just you know the one sentence or two that's in there and uh it's actually for all children so again I we don't reside in California um but from what we can see and what we have seen with Gavin signing this in into law in the city of California Assembly Bill 495 is active and now I know my good friend the San Diego District Attorney uh Summer Stefan she's adamantly vehemently against this just as we are and I know she's doing everything in her power in her jurisdiction that if somebody is undertaking human trafficking children trafficking labor trafficking sex trafficking any trafficking uh drug trafficking that she she wants to make it clear that they're not welcome in in her jurisdiction her San Diego County so we need more more of Summer Stephans across not only state of pen of uh not only across the state of California but across the United States and across the world we have to start talking what what what would be the reason why we would go forward with something like this that we're not just gonna call it out for ice impacted children if that happens and how many has that happened to what what are the statistics on that that's what I want to know that's what I think a lot of people want to know that we're gonna go through all this trouble all these votes where are the statistics that say 1,000 ice impacted children woke up and weren't didn't know what was going on and or 10,000 or 2000 or 500 what's the number give us the facts give us the analytics don't just throw stuff and pull the wool over our eyes we're not stupid we weren't born yesterday Gavin just like you weren't born yesterday so give us the real stats not the oh well the Trump derangement syndrome or no i'm not talking about that give us the real facts of what you're put what you had put in this assembly bill 495 that you just signed into law that was so important to do that yet you you don't want to go after the actual traffickers so I'll say it again one last time either a or one you didn't read the whole thing and you're bamboozled or the wool was pulled over your eyes and you signed it or you voted for it or number two which it's looking more and more likely unfortunately Gavin the others that voted for it Gavin that signed it why why'd you sign it so if you're saying oh my bad I I didn't read it all I'm pretty sure there's ways you can nullify an act or a law so if you didn't if you didn't if that first option of you didn't read it if that wasn't the case what what would be the reason why you you you would say it's okay for all children not just the affected children all children that they can have somebody that's not a blood relative come and claim that child if a parent walks away for a minute oh I don't see them with the a a parent or guardian so I need to go save them well how do you think trap how human traffickers work that's their job what that's what they do it's sick but that's what they do and so you're making it way too easy for for them to do their job and so we like to say okay you didn't read the whole bill you didn't read the whole assembly bill 495 so you can't use that excuse and say oh I I read it so I signed it or I voted for it but to say oh no I read it I read it and now you look at it and you actually look at it and you have others look at it and see what it actually says so if you read it you can't use excuse number two or you if you say you you you you read it then you know the number two comes along and says well you're guilty as charged too you're part of the the you're part of the individuals who are doing these activities and I'm not alleging this I'm not accusing I'm just talking common sense because if I read something and and I'm able to understand it and I read it I can say oh I didn't read it I didn't I didn't mean to vote that way is there a way I can change my vote none of that none of that went on and not to the levels that it needed to to be able to make that change so if you're not saying oh I didn't read it I I didn't mean to vote yes then number two comes along and says well you're not saying you didn't read it so you're saying you read it and given what it says are you one of them are you one of the traffickers are you one of those individuals I don't know I'm just trying to think of it from like a like a logical easy uh a layperson's you know point of view saying well I'm gonna put myself in their shoes the legislatures the the individuals that that voted so bill comes in we look at it it gets voted on and I vote yes then it goes to the governor's desk and he or she signs it in the law it makes it makes people look a lot guilty makes them very guilty like they might be part of that part of the problem part of the group or groups right there's lobbyists lobbying for certain certain topics certain areas talking about children folks talking about children not just how it's affected children we're talking about all children we're talking about even adults adult prodigies that are just great at what they do same thing so that's what we want to do with this show we wanted to talk about it because uh assembly bill 495 in the state of California has become a signed piece of legislation from Governor Gavin Newsom and so we want to warn anybody with any children uh or a prodigy in their household about we want to warn you about this because now that it's signed into law unless there's a uh uh like a period of time before it takes effect but maybe maybe it doesn't take effect till January i i don't I don't know but now that it's signed from the governor the days are getting shorter and shorter the amount of days until that takes effect and if we think people are taking advantage of children and and and the whole trafficking trade and all that now just wait till this this piece of legislation goes into effect if it if it didn't already went with the signature. And so that's where we're coming from that mental health side and that human side people say well you know that you don't live there so okay yeah we don't live there it's still a public safety concern public health concern is we have an individual again as I mentioned and this will be the last thing to cover in this show this particular episode is we have an individual who has higher aspirations than just the governorship of the state of California they see themselves as running for president of the United States someday and so the policies and laws and acts and bills and all those things that were covered and occurred under that individual's authority governor or another uh another politician senator house representative state representative state senator they're gonna try bringing that to the whole country don't think for one second they're not gonna do that we're not gonna try to do that that's why we're bringing it up because we care about all humanity we care about all children we care about people in Ohio we care about people in California we care about people in the whole United States we care about people across the world and that's why we're gonna leave this show by saying please be a voice for you or somebody in need check out that episode 307 and you're gonna uh see and hear uh more about assembly bill 495 which has now been signed into law by Governor of California Gavin Newsom and we say God bless the United States of America and God bless you wherever you may be near or far close to me close to us or at uh an area uh and another another country province uh city municipality uh again we want to help children we want to help everybody when we see something that's as blatant as this is we feel it's important enough to put a show out for it so thank you so much for joining us again that's episode 307 you can learn more about assembly bill 495 um and keep your children close here in the state of California and and and everywhere but especially the state of California so until next time this is Justin Alan Hayes signing off for Voices for Voices being subscribed please subscribe like share follow big thumbs up we love you all have a great evening a great day a great morning great afternoon we'll see you next time we love you.