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The Kidnapper's Dream Bill: Exposing California Assembly Bill 495 (Ep 303)

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The Kidnapper's Dream Bill: Exposing California Assembly Bill 495 (Ep 303)

We examine California Assembly Bill 495, a controversial piece of legislation that critics call "a child trafficker's and kidnapper's dream bill."

• AB-495 allows "non-relative extended family members" to assume control of children through a one-page affidavit
• The bill requires no court review, notarization, or parental consent for these guardianship transfers
• Legal experts warn the bill applies to ANY child, not just those affected by immigration enforcement
• Under this bill, strangers could authorize medical treatments and enroll children in different schools
• Schools and medical providers would face no liability for accepting these unverified guardianship claims
• Pastor Jack Hibbs urges California families to leave the state if the bill passes
• Critics argue the bill eliminates crucial safeguards like background checks and home visits
• The bill's vague language creates dangerous loopholes beyond its stated immigration-related purpose
• California Family Council and advocacy groups plan August 19th protest at the Capitol in Sacramento

Join the fight to protect children's safety and parental rights. Call your state senator and urge a no vote on AB-495, share information on social media, and alert your community about this dangerous legislation.

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0:00 Introduction to California AB-495

8:12 Breaking Down the Dangerous Bill

19:12 Non-Relatives as "Family Members"

33:50 Legal Loopholes for Child Predators

45:40 Pastor Jack Hibbs' Urgent Warning

55:37 Call to Action for California Families

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Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

Hey everyone, it's Justin with Voices for Voices. We are glad that you are with us for this episode of the show. We have some more troubling news that has crossed our desk, and this takes us to the state of California. So it was last week, maybe the week before. In a recent episode, we had the San Diego County District Attorney, summer Stephanon, and we walked through what he's doing and trying to help decrease the amount of human trafficking, sex trafficking, labor trafficking in her county. And so, as we know or we don't know, san Diego County includes the state. San Diego County includes the city of San Diego, which is also in the state of California, and that's where the story comes to us from. So we're going to be quoting and sharing information from a multitude of sources and we're going to share that as we get to them. It just helps us tell the story. I'm not an attorney and so for me to read through quite a few pages and then understand the legalese just outside of my expertise. So we're going to throw it right now to the California Family Council. So the following information was shared and so we're talking in this episode about Assembly Bill 495. In a previous show we talked about a different assembly bill in the state of California. So I just want to be clear that we're talking about California Assembly Bill 495, this episode and kind of a summary quote that the California Family Council has right on their website. Anybody can look at it, californiafamilyorg and right at the top we have news and stories it talks about literally right there, quote presto, someone walks away with your child. Critics slam AB Assembly Bill 495's threat to parental rights, and so this really takes us right into the heart. And so Assembly Bill 495 at a high level has been at least from Governor Gavin Newsom's point of view, and Assemblywoman Celeste Rodriguez from the San Fernando area, a Democrat and we're not. We don't care about affiliated party. We're talking about human beings, and so that's where we're coming at this from. So this is not a knock on any particular party. If it was a Republican, if it was an independent libertarian and this bill was introduced by them, we would still be doing this episode and so this bill. Assembly Bill 495 in Canberra. We're talking about the California Family Council site. We're still sharing information about that website, that organization. Please check them out.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

In response to the deportation or detention of individuals that are in the United States of America illegally not legally, illegally with an I, illegally with an I but really what this is getting at the heart of the issue, and this is coming from attorneys, this is coming from parental right advocates, as we're sharing here. We're talking about families up in arms all over TikTok today, faith-based organizations are warning that really, this assembly bill that does get through and Gavin does find this that it will dangerously redefine guardianship. It really just strips away those parental rights and it creates legal loopholes that make kidnapping children easy. Now we're going to stop right there, because there's some heavy words. We don't take that lightly. As we always say, we're sharing this information public safety, and so, from what we've gathered in good faith, is this assembly bill is really, I want to say a kidnapper, a trafficker's dream, really giving literally free access to children, and that's why we're doing this episode Definitely public safety concern. You know, the author of this bill claims that, you know, no child should really face uncertainty and that they don't want to, or that they want to ensure that those children unexpectedly, if their parent, has been detained unexpectedly by, you know, ice, federal immigration officials.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

What Celeste wants to do with this bill, which is interesting, and so what it intends to do is to streamline guardianship by allowing and I'll get this straight, we're going to quote this quote non-relative family member, end quote. Did you hear what I just said? Non-family or non-relative extended family member. So that basically says they're not a family member, an extended family member, it's a non-relative Well, if they're not a relative, they're not a family member. It's a non-relative Well, if they're not a relative, they're not a family member. So this is just, you know, trying to use fancy words and, you know, think that we, the people are, you know, stupid and dumb, and we're not.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

And so, really, the definition of this non-relative extended family member is defined really broadly as anyone with a mentoring relationship to assume control over a child through a one-page affidavit which is really easy to put together. And one of the big reasons it's easy to put together is that there's no court review of this document, there's no notarizationization and no parental consent is required. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. Maybe I think Celeste means well, maybe I think Celeste Meanswell, likes the family together, but a non-relative extended family member. You can't use family member and say non-relative, like it doesn't go together. You're either a relative or you're not. And so this mentoring relationship, this could be a coach, this could be anybody. And again, this one-page affidavit has no court review, no notarization required and the kicker is, no parental consent is required. You can't make this up, folks.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

And Rodriguez goes on to say that this bill, this caregiver's authorization affidavit, lacks clarity and forcibility. And she insists that assembly bill 495 enhances there we go, another fancy term. It enhances child welfare by giving caregivers. Well, wait, wait a minute. We we didn't. We didn't say caregiver up above, we said non-relative extended family member. We didn't say caregiver. So I don't know what Rodriguez is really talking about here.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

Enhancing the child welfare when you're giving these again not mentioned above, these caregivers legal that are giving, let's just say it's a coach and I have nothing. We have nothing against coaches, we're just throwing. It's a coach and I have nothing. We have nothing against coaches, we're just throwing it out. For an example so coach says I have a mentoring relationship with my team and so in California this would mean, you know, it isn't specific. See, this is the thing that I I struggle with and a lot of us are struggling with, is it doesn't appear to be specific. You know, in in the rollout.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

It's saying you saying somebody's taken away unexpectedly. Well, what if a child's at home At home, their parent goes to the bathroom, somebody looks in the window and says, oh, that child is unaccompanied and I don't see a family member, so I'm going to come to the rescue and I'm going to rescue this child. Then, and let's say, that's that coach and this hypothesis, well then the coach would be able to show the school, show doctors, you know, this one page affidavit. It doesn't have to be notarized, it doesn't have to be reviewed by a court, it doesn't even have to be consented from the parent. And so let's say, the parent comes out of the bathroom and they're looking around Where's my child? Where'd they go? I just went to the bathroom.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

And I know some of you are like yeah, okay, justin, well, doesn't say that's not the case, doesn't say it's not the case. It doesn't say it's not the case. It doesn't say it's not the case. It doesn't say it's not the case. So we have to look at things and say, well, if it happens to a parent with a child and they get surprisingly detained by immigration authorities, so I get it, I get it, california, I get that a lot of you are upset with President Trump and this is a way to, you know, kind of get at the man.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

Why don't we look at things a little bit differently? And why does it have to be a non-relative extended family member? Why does it have to be a coach? And it doesn't even have to be a coach, it can just be anybody perusing the neighborhood up to no good. And again, like I said, look into the window. Oh, there's an accompanying child. They must be in danger. So you know, the parents go into the bathroom, maybe they're grabbing a quick shower. They're in their own home. They're in their own home and again, like it is mentioned, presto, someone walks away with their child. I don't know how to be any more clear than that. So we can put it under immigration and we get that and that's a fair argument. I'm talking about whether you're for or against the illegal immigrants here. We can be either for or against it, but if we don't get super specific, then again what I just said can become truth and again we're going to dig right into this.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

So Aaron Friday is an attorney and president of Our Duty USA, which is a parent-led advocacy group, and it called uh ab for for assembly bill 495, a child traffickers and kidnappers dream bill. So you heard me say it above earlier in the show and now I'm giving you like a direct quote, quote AB495 is a child trafficker's and kidnapper's dream bill. End quote. And Aaron goes on to say, quote there's no background check, there's no welfare check on that child, there's no court oversight and there's no verification. All you need is a piece of paper and some form of identification of who you are. But there's no obligation for the adult hand in hand, there's no obligation by the actual parent, the adult handing a child over, to verify that identification. So it's not like the parents in the bathroom. They come out and the person sitting in their house and they're like you know, this child was unaccompanied and so I'm going to show you my ID. I'm going to be taking this out under this AB-495. And press fill Gone.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

And this Aaron Friday goes on to say that they reject Rodriguez's claim that the bill is narrowly tailored to immigration emergencies. Like I said, if you don't specifically say it, then it has to be implied that it's the case. And Friday says that the bill's language so words, letters, numbers, sentences included applies. Now we're really getting into it. The bill's language applies to any child for any reason, regardless of immigration status. So that's buried in there, see that's. You know Gavin Newsom and Rodriguez doesn't want you to find that part of them.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

So this applies to any child for any reason, regardless of immigration status, and grants temporary legal rights to individuals with no blood relation, including people who may not even be known to the child's parents. And all this stranger has to do is consent oh no, the stranger is able to consent to medical treatments for the child, and this assembly bill absolves the doctors from any liability. Does that sound familiar? Pfizer, moderna, the COVID shots, before it all was rolled out, what are we not able to do as citizens? I don't believe we're able to bring legal action towards them. They want to help, they want to help, they want to help, except if it doesn't help, then they don't want to be held liable and they didn't want that guarantee. And that guarantee was made Plain and simple.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

So people, wake wake up. No blood relation, wake up. No blood relation, including people who may not even be known to a child's parents. For this person and this hypothetical that I was mentioning earlier, I see the child. Maybe they ring the doorbell, I don't know, I don't know how they get the doorbell. I don't know, I don't know how they get in the home. But they get in the home and they say I don't see Aaron Guardian, and the parent could be in the bathroom, literally say hold on, hold on, I'm just in the bathroom. That person leaves with the child and they have no blood relation, again may not be known to the parents, to the child's parents, and so not only is a stranger able to take the child and or children maybe it's more than one, maybe it's one, I don't know they're able to consent to medical treatments for the child and again, it absolved the doctors from any liability should the adult consenting not have any actual legal connection to the child.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

So, doctor, has an adult and a child, come in, I have an appointment for Justin. Okay, I don't recognize you. Oh, okay, well, but it's okay. So here's this one-page affidavit, okay, so here's this one page affidavit. And oh, by the way, there's this assembly bill 495, and Gavin Newsom, our governor, signed it into an act into law. So I don't really need to show you any identification, but I'm here on behalf of the family and so I'm just helping out. Yeah, I don't have any bloodline, no connection, and the doctor says, okay, bring him in, what would you like? And whatever the request is, the doctor does but they've been given consent by this person because it's all under this bill. It goes in the law For the state of California, and the doctor's like, all right, well, oh yeah, I was reading about that. Yeah, I don't, we're not going to have any. You know, as a doctor, I'm not going to have any liability if this consenting adult doesn't actually have any legal connection to the child. So they go ahead and put them in the path. So quote Friday. So quote we're talking about a legal pathway for predators to operate in plain sight. End, quote, end quote.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

This bill is not about immigration, it's about relinquishing parental rights to unvetted, what we call, basically, strangers that we don't know, we don't know. And so this bill, this selling bill, relinquishes parental rights to unvetted strangers under the guise G-U-I-S-E, not G-U-I-S, under the guise kind of like the like. Here we're going to put the. You know we're going to put the. You know we're going to pull the wool over the you know, the sheep's eye by the wolf, and so the wolf is saying oh, yeah, yeah, we're being compassionate, and the sheep's like? I don't think so doesn't matter. The sheep's the wool like? I don't think so it doesn't matter what the sheep said. The wool was pulled over by the wolf, so it doesn't matter.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

We also have another attorney, nicole Pearson, and the founder of FACTS Law Truth Justice also echoed these concerns in the testimony before the Senate Human Services Committee. Quote California wants to let someone that is not related to your child remove him or her from school, enroll him or her in any other school in the state, in the state, authorize any medical treatment of his or her, including mental health services and drugs, without the parents' notice. They don't notify them either, so without the parents' notice and knowledge of consent. This is not fear-mongering, I am not being hyperbolic. These unintended consequences are terrifying and they're unavoidable.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

And Pearson has represented immigration families and trafficking survivors and noted that the bill feels vague, which means it's very broad and open to interpretation, not just talking about immigration, the children that are affected by this unexpected detention or deportation of an illegal immigrant, not legal, illegal, i-l-l-e-g-a-l. Illegal. And Pearson goes on to say that because of this bill's vague definitions, the open to interpretation. So the last Rodriguez says oh, this is what it is, it's all about compassion and it's only for these specific cases, but it's not, because here we have a couple of folks that say that the bill is vague in its definitions and lacks the procedural safeguards and this is where it gets scary and are eerily similar to the federal mishandlings that led to over 600,000 unaccounted for unaccompanied minors in 2021. Pearson goes on quote.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

Yet AB495 goes even further. Even further than that. The bill co-ops the term non-relative extended family member from dependency, like foster care court, but since it's a termed caretaker's authorization affidavit will not be used with any official legal proceeding and it completely sidesteps the system's safeguards, such as background checks, fingerprinting, home visits, welfare checks, interviews, hearings and liability if the child is harmed. In quote this is not a compassionate bill designed to help the children of undocumented immigrants. Designed to help the children of undocumented immigrants. Remember this person that's saying this. They've helped individuals that this bill is supposedly supposed to help and only help, and they're saying this is not the case. This is not what Assembly Bill 495 is. This is not the case. This is not what Assembly Bill 495 is. It's much more than that. It is a license to take vulnerable children and make them disappear, she said in a later interview.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

So what does the bill actually do? It's promoted as compassionate safeguard for children of detained immigrant parents, but it in fact expands who qualifies as a caregiver to include, as I mentioned multiple times, quote, non-relative extended family members, and this is defined as any adult with an established familial or mentoring relationship with a child or with a relative of a child a broad and loosely defined category. It authorizes this use of what's been called a caregiver authorization affidavit Again, this is all just to confuse us lay people by these individuals. It allows them to assume decision-making, which we talked about, over a child's schooling, medical care, without a court appearance, a notarization or a parental signature. It grants caregivers. If we look on, it grants caregivers the legal ability to enroll a child in school and authorize dental, medical, mental health treatments, including treatments related to school participation. This includes sex trait modification procedures. I'll say that again, this includes sex trait modification procedures. So this person can come and take this job. It also does not require schools or daycare facilities to verify the identity, relationship or even the legitimacy of the adult presenting the caregiver's authorization affidavit, while absolving them of any liability.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

Did the child be handed over to a stranger or trafficker? And it required court documents related to joint guardianship arrangements, which is appointed in anticipation of a parent's temporary unavailability, will also include immigration-related detention. It's not only for immigration-related detention. It's not only for immigration-related detention. And so what this is really getting at is any court documents related to joint guardianship, etc. Including all these different statuses, are to be kept confidential and only accessible to parties in the case. Disclosure to immigration authorities is prohibited without a court order based on compelling necessity unrelated to immigration enforcement. We need a court order down here, but all these other things we don't need a court order to take the job. In short, ab 45 significantly reduces oversight and verification in assigning authority over children, introducing the potential of confusion and misuse in situations where parental rights and child safety are at stake.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

Call to action With lawmakers back in their districts. Now's the moment for parents, pastors, citizens to speak up. Call your state senator and urge a no vote on AB495. Share this on social media. Alert your community. Pray for the protection of California's children and the restoration of biblical parental authority. Pretty deep stuff here, isn't it? Folks, I've got one One last tonight. Folks, I've got one last section here for this episode. And again, this is all under the California Family Council, which is californiafamilyorg, and so this particular section is very is shorter.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

This is Pastor Jack Hibbs, raleigh's parent to Sacramento. He says if AB, so if Assembly Bill 495 passes, and quote run with the green. Back here he says quote, run with your it. Okay, this is a pastor. Says if you have children in California, that if this AB-495 passes, run with your kids. Pastor Hibbs says quote I have to tell you if this bill passes, I'm going to ask you to leave the state of California. End quote, pastor Hibbs does. He declared from the pulpit quote you got to get out, you got to run with your kids, you got to go. End quote very, you got to get out, you got to run with your kids, you got to go. End quote Very, oh my gosh, this is just. It is a wake up call. As he says, this is an urgent message and we need to share and we need to keep talking about it. Please share this episode on social media. Let everybody know that it was in the state of California that has kids. Jack Hibbs says on his after. Jack Hibbs says on his looks like Instagram.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

California's AB-495 is the most dangerous bill we've ever seen and it is being pushed right now by lawmakers in Sacramento this bill so this is an addition to what I shared for the first half of the show this bill according to Jack Gibbs Dr Jack Gibbs this bill would allow any non-related adult and so this is my point that this could be a neighbor, this could be a teacher, this could be an ex-relative or even a complete stranger to take custody of your child without your knowledge or consent. No background check, no court order, no parent signature, just a piece of paper. It doesn't need to be verified. So Pastor Jack Yates joins the call and says we're calling on every parent, grandparent and concerned citizen to show up on August 19th at the Capitol Step in Sacramento. This, he said, is the hill to die on and that your attendance matters. And then a California Family Council post on social media looks like Instagram quote California wants to let someone that is not related to your child remove him or her from school, enroll him or her in any other school in the state, her including mental health services and drugs without the parents' notice or knowledge or consent.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

This is not fear-mongering, we're not being hyperbolic. These unintended consequences are terrifying and they're unavoidable, and they're unavoidable. I hope I made myself clear with Assembly Bill 495. During California, august 19th Capitol Step in Sacramento. You want to be there, make your voice heard, make your voice heard, make your voices heard.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

And for Pastor Jack Hibbs to say this is the hell to die on, that's a pretty strong statement. It means it's important, it means if this goes forward, who knows what else is next. And for the pastor to say the pastor, you need to get out, you need to take your kids, get out of the state of California. So he doesn't care if it's attendance. That worshiper goes down, he's saying get out. And so this is a very good example of, again, regardless of party, regardless of Republican, democrat, libertarian, independent it's a good reminder that all of our voices matter. I don't even live in the state of California and I've gotten so many messages about this that I couldn't believe at first. Right, you know, sometimes you get a message or two and you look into something and it's like all right, this can be viewed a couple different ways. Not this though, not this.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

And there's also, from what I understand, maybe some other subsection through AB495 that may impact the view section to AB 495. It may impact if you homeschool your child or children. I haven't had a chance to truly verify all those, not to say it's not the truth, but I wanted to get this show out. We wanted to get this show out as soon as possible. Again, it took some vetting for us to do. Again, it took some vetting for us to do, but once we did that, we knew it was an important thing to do, that we needed to get on this, we needed to put this together, we needed to share information, share other reporting and share other reporting and get this in front of as many people in the state of California, california with children or maybe you have a relative there, maybe you know somebody, maybe you go to college there, you know somebody goes to college there.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

Again, this is what you see up here voices for voices. These are the types of issues that transcend political affiliation, transcend the pettiness, the if-past and Gavin, if you signed us, just remember. We're all going to be judged one day and I read one of the things that's probably going to be asked is did you help people or did you hurt people? I think it's a pretty basic question and you can't lie to the maker of the universe. I mean you can try it if you want. I mean you can try if you want, but God can write legally, he can read legalese, put things together. And in this case, this specific case I'm not judging anybody or sharing information, because this is a public safety concern in the city of California. That even the fact that it has this report, that it has now, is really really kind of troubling that we're even at this point.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

And so I would ask any lawmaker, any advocacy group, anybody who is for AB495, I want to ask you point blank Are you okay with this? Oh, my children are grown, they're adults, they're grown. Well, I bet there's at least one, one lawmaker that's for it, that has children. So you're cool with that. You're cool with going to the bathroom in your own house, your child playing and coming out of the bathroom after washing your hands and sanitizing and all that, and you're like where is my child? So you're cool with that. Just say, yeah, you know what, whoever has done. Yeah, yeah, I trust them. That's basically what you're doing. That's basically what you're doing. You know the.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

The one of those sayings goes do as I say, not as I do. And so, lawmakers, you have children and you're cool with this going into effect and you're cool with this impacting you, then I guess you know the route that you're going to vote. But if you actually go, hmm, is reelecting, is getting reelected more important or less important? From my kids, my family, one would think that your kids, your children, your family, is more important than politics. And so that's why I'm hoping to appeal to everybody and say you know what, you're okay finishing your shower, finishing going to the bathroom, finish mowing the grass and then going inside and seeing your child's gone, you're like, well, no, no, no, that's different, that's not related to the immigration part.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

Well, the assembly bill doesn't carve only that piece out In the PR statement. You carve that piece out to make it sound like that's what the assembly bill, or 95, is all about. But, as I stated, other people, other people not me, other people have said it doesn't say it's only the. You know the folks impacted. You know the folks impacted with the. You know the immigration, unexpected detention, et cetera. So you're okay with the big, baddest criminal roaming the streets. It doesn't even matter if it's the first time or the 10th time, if they're up to no good and you want to say, yes, I want to pass AB-495, and I have children and I'm okay if that were to happen. By all means vote your conscience, but just know this, that your conscience, but just know this, that your conscience says that politics is more important than family.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

If you think this way and get off the PR terms, the PR talking point, talk about the full bill. That's what we don't talk about enough in this country and other areas. We talk about what's convenient for us, convenient for our platform, convenient for our lobbyists, the ones that are lining our pockets, that make Nancy Pelosi have a net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars when her salary is like $150,000, $200,000 a year. How does that? How does that? The math don't work like that. They're making $200,000 in five years. That's a million dollars, but that before taxes. So what would it be worth? A few million, okay, but hundreds of millions? Career politician. It's the same type of logic here, folks, if all you have is time to read your talking points.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

And again, we think family, loved ones, blood relatives, are more important than politics, blood relatives are more important than politics. That's why, with me not living and us not living in the state of California, why it's why we had to put this together, because we're not trying to just help certain people. We want to help everybody. We want to help 3 billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond. I don't care what party you're in political party affiliation Democrat, republican, libertarian, independent it doesn't matter. I'm talking about everybody's children and I really don't think you would be okay with that. Have that happen to you and be cool with that, just like. Oh yeah, so we just want to bring some information to you. We were against California Assembly Bill 495. I know that San Diego District Attorney Summer Stephan is also against this.

Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes:

We also had on the show in a previous episode. I believe it's in the 290s. We're over 302 episodes at least by now. I believe it's in the 290s or over 300, and two episodes at least by now when this airs and comes out. And so check out that conversation. I thought it was a good conversation. I learned a whole lot. Maybe you could too. So until next time, please be a voice for you or somebody in need, and I have been your host. Founder of Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes. Why don't we do something together? Why don't we celebrate the voices of everybody, and let that begin with us, our families, especially keeping our children safe. Talk to you next time, everybody. Bye-bye.

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